tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post7812008175020667097..comments2024-03-22T21:02:55.051+13:00Comments on Bat, Bean, Beam: Public/Private/ForeignGiovanni Tisohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-13500185986670746482012-09-06T07:19:27.109+12:002012-09-06T07:19:27.109+12:00Fortunately, sometimes privatisation triggers iron...Fortunately, sometimes privatisation triggers <a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n17/james-meek/how-we-happened-to-sell-off-our-electricity" rel="nofollow">ironic results</a>.francescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13096867858651484894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-39776771367961322592012-05-18T10:17:11.480+12:002012-05-18T10:17:11.480+12:00Thank you good sir.Thank you good sir.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-81312888350037622302012-05-17T21:49:21.351+12:002012-05-17T21:49:21.351+12:00Bang on, Gio. All of it.Bang on, Gio. All of it.Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-17261166367819203742012-05-17T21:15:24.295+12:002012-05-17T21:15:24.295+12:00The petition itself is fine, I had no trouble at a...The petition itself is fine, I had no trouble at all signing it. <br /><br />(Let's advertise a local business: at Evil Genius in Berhampore you can get a good coffee and sign the thing.)Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-38712933115086195982012-05-17T15:32:39.233+12:002012-05-17T15:32:39.233+12:00Very fair point, perhaps we don't all know all...Very fair point, perhaps we don't all know all the other reasons. I concede defeat on this one, the dominant message of this campaign should not be one of nationalism. <br />However, I know why I am personally opposed to asset sales, and it has nothing to do with the nationality of the buyer, so I intend to continue trying to get signatures because of the reasons I outlined above. We can haveAlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756577987173700191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-19874248301537874492012-05-17T10:26:54.598+12:002012-05-17T10:26:54.598+12:00“Maybe the political parties need a hook to hang t...“Maybe the political parties need a hook to hang their campaign on. and have gone for nationalism, but we all know that there are so many other reasons to oppose these sales, and different reasons will appeal to different people. Not every reason will appeal to everyone, but anyone who isn't a 'mum and dad investor' has a good reason to still sign the petition.”<br /><br />‘We all Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-14561564374858226842012-05-17T09:53:08.850+12:002012-05-17T09:53:08.850+12:00I do concede you have a point that they are laying...I do concede you have a point that they are laying it on very thick with the nationalistic stuff, and I personally find some of it distasteful. However we know for a fact that the Greens at least are opposed to asset sales because of other issues as well, such as the ones I outlined in an earlier comment. <br /><br />I suppose the main problem is the eternal problem in campaign politics, how muchAlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756577987173700191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-51578993173985585652012-05-16T18:11:03.247+12:002012-05-16T18:11:03.247+12:00I'm all for splitting hair on this one. I don&...I'm all for splitting hair on this one. I don't entirely dismiss what politicians say in Parliament, or when they take part in demonstrations, but their broader public message is quite another thing. The statements and slogans and documents that the parties present to the whole of the electorate are what ultimately defines their politics and therefore the mandate that the voting public Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-31534924007661483062012-05-16T17:52:56.657+12:002012-05-16T17:52:56.657+12:00Not to split hairs, but I saw Norman's speech ...Not to split hairs, but I saw Norman's speech on Parliament TV, which is broadcast to the public. More to the point, there is absolutely no way a party leader would say something in the house that they wouldn't like to see attached to their name or party. <br /><br />Plus Catherine Delahaunty made very similar points in her speech to the Hikoi in Wellington. Again, the Greens are clearly Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756577987173700191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-48813111478725958262012-05-16T14:02:19.795+12:002012-05-16T14:02:19.795+12:00One day we could do something about share market l...One day we could do something about share market listed govt. backed monopolies...http://www.nzherald.co.nz/television/news/article.cfm?c_id=339&objectid=10806247 oh no wait, we really can't.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424066726955708314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-59029006795464760962012-05-16T08:31:38.612+12:002012-05-16T08:31:38.612+12:00Fair enough. I mostly try to aim for wry too.Fair enough. I mostly try to aim for wry too.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-22361382399261495182012-05-16T07:21:58.205+12:002012-05-16T07:21:58.205+12:00Didn't mean to project pessimism Giovanni, aim...Didn't mean to project pessimism Giovanni, aiming for wry! I am a kiwi but I haven't lived in NZ much for the last few years: I am actually confident that my fellow kiwis will work it out.Najmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-8895042630866739582012-05-15T22:16:45.085+12:002012-05-15T22:16:45.085+12:00Thank you Najma and thank you Kathy.
I don't...Thank you Najma and thank you Kathy. <br /><br />I don't think I share your pessimism, Najma, much as I'm all too frequently dismayed and/or enraged by stories like the one posted by Merc. I'd be pessimistic if I thought that Labour's way were the only kind of political opposition - inside of Parliament, or outside of it - that is available to us. In fact the idea that our Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-60231003109017959892012-05-15T20:51:22.609+12:002012-05-15T20:51:22.609+12:00Great post.Great post.katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-22968244481952464582012-05-15T17:24:06.320+12:002012-05-15T17:24:06.320+12:00I have just discovered your blog: thank you for so...I have just discovered your blog: thank you for so clearly exposing what is happening in NZ, keep up the good work, I look forward to reading more.<br />I fear however that you are preaching to the converted (and I don't mean that disparagingly) as far as I can see the only way to get the message across to those who don't read the paper; and certainly not the politics articles, and can&#Najmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-52263582609304348392012-05-15T15:46:52.388+12:002012-05-15T15:46:52.388+12:00I find the first piece terrifying, even more so th...I find the first piece terrifying, even more so than the original report from earlier today. There is something genuinely sinister in the collective absolution that comes from a reader community sharing in the discomfort at those - gasp! - non-English signs. Dougal's post is more relevant to this kind of stuff than mine I think.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-14801665107183169402012-05-15T14:25:31.513+12:002012-05-15T14:25:31.513+12:00What to do with this?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz...What to do with this?<br />http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806033<br />Then this,<br />http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10806048<br />There is no escape from they who own the message.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424066726955708314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-22494529837983974252012-05-15T10:00:01.957+12:002012-05-15T10:00:01.957+12:00(There is half a sentence in the minute-long Keep ...(There is half a sentence in the minute-long Keep it Kiwi video by Russell Norman to the effect that the Greens don't always agree with the way SOEs are run. That's the relative weight they've chosen to give to that side of the argument in crafting their communication strategy.)Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-18744671549743205752012-05-15T09:57:35.145+12:002012-05-15T09:57:35.145+12:00If speeches in Parliament or discussions in select...If speeches in Parliament or discussions in select committees and speeches to the public were the same thing, I'd be inclined to cut Labour and the Greens some slack. But they aren't. And the materials and statements put out by the Greens speak for themselves - that logo most loudly of all.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-29260013626100042462012-05-15T09:53:47.316+12:002012-05-15T09:53:47.316+12:00Actually Russel Norman made a speech in Parliament...Actually Russel Norman made a speech in Parliament outlining exactly how this was a transfer of wealth from common ownership to the rich. His main point was that the only people who can afford shares in assets are those who got tax cuts, and that the average person on $550 a week will not be able to afford shares. To suggest that the Green opposition is only based on the Keep it Kiwi slogan is Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756577987173700191noreply@blogger.com