tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post6739025701845626227..comments2024-03-22T21:02:55.051+13:00Comments on Bat, Bean, Beam: Land ValuesGiovanni Tisohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-88265245577721252752011-11-30T10:20:03.102+13:002011-11-30T10:20:03.102+13:00Keri: I don't have much to comment on that, ot...Keri: I don't have much to comment on that, other than to say that it was fascinating to see those issues being debated, and heartening to have another party laying claim to Kaupapa Māori in Parliament (although Mana didn't do well enough in the end to really establish itself. But it's a start.). <br /><br />Ben: I don't think you were at all patronising there, to say kind things Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-4877771010710991922011-11-30T10:06:15.600+13:002011-11-30T10:06:15.600+13:00I think I waffled a bit in my last post and lost t...I think I waffled a bit in my last post and lost track of what I was trying to say. It was this: Gio, you are one of the people I place high odds on having useful insights into my questions. Even a question as out of your apparent specialty as the international political economy.Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-63622876356267669362011-11-29T23:03:15.577+13:002011-11-29T23:03:15.577+13:00Gio - any comment on what was general common knowl...Gio - any comment on what was general common knowledge within Kai Tahu last year- that we were very dis-satistified with the Maori party being foisted on us (not the same thing as loathing Rahui Katene) and that she was a goner?<br />And, notice in Te Tai Toka, a vastly increased party vote for the Greens (and a diminished vote for Labour.)<br />The ground is moving, from under our minds-Keri Hulmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-91939992987134935462011-11-29T13:14:16.693+13:002011-11-29T13:14:16.693+13:00I'm not trying to be generous, Gio, that would...I'm not trying to be generous, Gio, that would be patronizing. For me, the work of people like you is vital. It would be a sore blow to hear that you had stopped writing because you couldn't afford it, or felt no-one was listening.<br /><br />Mostly, you ask powerful questions. You fall down, as most people do, as I do, when trying to commit to the answers to these questions, because thatBen Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-75360642231694020642011-11-29T12:49:09.858+13:002011-11-29T12:49:09.858+13:00Indeed, the people, but as things have become so m...Indeed, the people, but as things have become so much more about ascending the hierarchy, the natural decline commences with winning.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424066726955708314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-43595961357334045892011-11-29T12:42:33.643+13:002011-11-29T12:42:33.643+13:00As for Labour, they need to convince themselves wh...<i>As for Labour, they need to convince themselves why they are here.</i><br /><br />They could start by watching their own <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN5DZC4MimQ" rel="nofollow">opening campaign address</a>. I'd definitely start there.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-64045623040827433502011-11-29T12:34:04.120+13:002011-11-29T12:34:04.120+13:00Yeah, and the fundamental problem is that they see...Yeah, and the fundamental problem is that they see it as a defeat for them, instead of a defeat for the people they're supposed to be representing, who will be the ones crushed underfoot by the destruction of the remnants of NZ's welfare system. The MPs themselves will be fine, since they're mostly in the top 10% (if not 1%) most well-off.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-76984807457303401072011-11-29T12:32:05.032+13:002011-11-29T12:32:05.032+13:00I'd third Ben's comments as well. Gio you&...I'd third Ben's comments as well. Gio you're not only very readable, you're vital.<br />As for Labour, they need to convince themselves why they are here.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424066726955708314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-89302143604178516252011-11-29T11:41:40.702+13:002011-11-29T11:41:40.702+13:00Needless to say, that kind of talk also prepares t...Needless to say, that kind of talk also prepares the ground for a gallant defeat in 2014.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-81647042691222770162011-11-29T11:31:33.545+13:002011-11-29T11:31:33.545+13:00Yes, Giovanni, I'd second Ben's comments. ...Yes, Giovanni, I'd second Ben's comments. Your posts, whatever the topic, are thought provoking. And in the age of short attention spans and superficial thinking, they're a welcome antidote to the prevailing 'wisdom' that gets shoved at us through other channels.<br /><br />I'm sorry to have read that comment from Grant Robertson though, since that is good reason why so Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-83041696853219296942011-11-29T10:52:16.670+13:002011-11-29T10:52:16.670+13:00Thank you Ben - it's very generous of you to s...Thank you Ben - it's very generous of you to say that. Truly.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-90686615332248771862011-11-29T10:45:17.392+13:002011-11-29T10:45:17.392+13:00You know a lot. Your post on the well-adjusted has...You know a lot. Your post on the well-adjusted has been on my mind a great deal, caused a tremendous mental upheaval. Without saying I like it or not, that alone is a powerful reason to keep speaking the way you do.<br /><br />You should probably not underestimate your ability to influence powerful people, too. Truth cuts through to the intellects of the powerful. If not Labour, note that half ofBen Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-10339964828246156802011-11-29T10:37:56.382+13:002011-11-29T10:37:56.382+13:00I think we're all invested in what Labour does...I think we're all invested in what Labour does now, whether we directly support the party or not, so I'll say mine: I find the prospect of their choosing the leader again through a straight caucus count instead of working out the strategy first utterly demoralising. What is needed is some high level thinking, and to challenge the conventional wisdom and rationalisations - which to be fairGiovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-85675080767122395952011-11-29T10:17:05.578+13:002011-11-29T10:17:05.578+13:00It's totally misleading. I saw that tweet from...It's totally misleading. I saw that tweet from dimsie too, but also the one a bit later on consoling herself that actually in Waitakere Labour+Greens had beaten National. <br /><br />The geographical maps are about as misleading as they would be if you also tracked the international special votes, and if Labour got the most in the USA, coloring the entire USA red.<br /><br />It is FPP Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-31175344296591878572011-11-29T08:57:26.362+13:002011-11-29T08:57:26.362+13:00(And it's the default view on Scoop. Default v...(And it's the default view on Scoop. Default views are a powerful thing.)Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-82503156217038436492011-11-29T08:56:13.937+13:002011-11-29T08:56:13.937+13:00Not quite - at least not the map I'm looking a...Not quite - at least not the map I'm looking at. If you hover over each electorate it just shows the relative vote of the lists on the left. Which I'm sure is useful to some people. However I think a map that shows almost the whole country in solid blue when National has won only 48% of the overall vote - and 31% of the eligible vote - is a lot more misleading than it is useful, no matterGiovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-55752973379896092642011-11-29T08:48:51.309+13:002011-11-29T08:48:51.309+13:00Your critique notwithstanding, Keith Ng's map ...Your critique notwithstanding, Keith Ng's map does allow for all the shades and variations in party support, with a drop-down menu. The Herald's simple logic allows for no such differentiation.George Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-70460475673190148432011-11-29T07:37:21.219+13:002011-11-29T07:37:21.219+13:00...and proceeds to elect another pair of leaders b......and proceeds to elect another pair of leaders based on their popularity amongst their peers...<br /><br />Picking teams in the playground at lunchtime.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424066726955708314noreply@blogger.com