tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post3727099226191380915..comments2024-03-22T21:02:55.051+13:00Comments on Bat, Bean, Beam: All Spoons Are LevelGiovanni Tisohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-70602174971536505472011-06-12T09:50:31.167+12:002011-06-12T09:50:31.167+12:00I like that Marguerite Patten in that interview re...I like that Marguerite Patten in that interview rejects the label "celebrity cook" and insists that she's a home economist. And her quietly lucid admonishment that things are going to get worse and worse is also pretty much uncontestable at this point. So yes I think I'd try to teach some of those skills at school, unapalatable as they may seem, cooking and nutrition being Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-51108380631596783482011-06-11T21:49:27.085+12:002011-06-11T21:49:27.085+12:00Check out Wendyl Nissen's column in the NZ Her...Check out Wendyl Nissen's column in the NZ Herald every Saturday (p. A15 11/06/11) for an example of clear and sensible advice about food in the super market.<br /><br />I have no idea how we can educate young people today to understand the complexity, advantages and disadvantages of supermarket (industrialized food). But I suspect that cooking and sewing would not go down well in today'sBrucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-26297224472785825782011-06-11T16:56:25.204+12:002011-06-11T16:56:25.204+12:00Interestingly the war time ration was said to impr...Interestingly the war time ration was said to improve nutrition for the poor and obesity for the rich<br />I am not sure what it did for the people in the middle thoughRaymod A francisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-3158889766299113792011-06-11T06:06:35.257+12:002011-06-11T06:06:35.257+12:00Putting these sorts of things back onto school cur...Putting these sorts of things back onto school curriculums might not be a bad start.Adriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-82778684118739682192011-06-10T13:27:24.478+12:002011-06-10T13:27:24.478+12:00We call them darning mushrooms, as ours have stalk...We call them darning mushrooms, as ours have stalk-handles. Mine has pokerwork kowhai blossoms and is a 1930s souvenir of Rotorua.<br />Aah, what the younger generation is missing! (grin)Dalenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-64818130279559631362011-06-10T12:40:52.395+12:002011-06-10T12:40:52.395+12:00She clasps my hands. 'Oh. Very cold. As I alwa...<i>She clasps my hands. 'Oh. Very cold. As I always say to anyone with cold hands, you must make excellent pastry.’ </i><br /><br />I love this woman! Thank you Dale, great link. <br /><br />I must also note that I'm quite fond of my mother's collection of darning eggs.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-56402033514808835552011-06-10T12:29:48.450+12:002011-06-10T12:29:48.450+12:00Much of this wartime advice was written by Marguer...Much of this wartime advice was written by Marguerite Patten, who remarkably is still alive at 95 and something of a national heroine in Britain. See eg http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/8542679/Lets-get-this-straight-interview-with-Marguerite-Patten.html<br /><br />I am old enough to remember food rationing in New Zealand, and to have some of the wartime rationing cookbooks used here. Dalenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-17943742949553506942011-06-07T17:29:33.352+12:002011-06-07T17:29:33.352+12:00I have two words for you: energy-saving lightbulbs...I have two words for you: energy-saving lightbulbs.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-53097061923523808722011-06-07T17:27:44.263+12:002011-06-07T17:27:44.263+12:00Would people accept clearcut government advice the...Would people accept clearcut government advice these days? Loyal Britons in war time might have reacted quite differently from skeptical New Zealanders in peace time.stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04486889878636801969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-6163745838109631752011-06-07T17:27:06.293+12:002011-06-07T17:27:06.293+12:00@Dougal
By a nice coincidence I just read this pos...<b>@Dougal</b><br /><i>By a nice coincidence I just read this post after reading in O'Sullivan's biography of John Mulgan how he arranged to have his parachute sent back from Greece to his wife in NZ: the silk from parachutes made great knickers and undergarments, and was highly valued for reusing at home.</i><br /><br />I hope he also sent her a copy of the leaflet How to Look After Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-54981973884374763452011-06-07T16:52:13.637+12:002011-06-07T16:52:13.637+12:00Oh, I wouldn't worry about that: deprivation i...Oh, I wouldn't worry about that: deprivation is coming back all by itself. But yes, one of the questions I am trying to ask is: how do we recreate in peacetime and without recourse to rationing the conditions for collectivity, as Dougal has put it?Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-18002653651185816472011-06-07T16:48:29.087+12:002011-06-07T16:48:29.087+12:00>Besides, in the Western countries with the hig...>Besides, in the Western countries with the highest incidence of eating disorders, these are more common amongst the people who have less money to buy food, so again abundance cannot be the problem. <br /><br />Not the only problem anyway. The solution isn't to bring back deprivation. It's to find ways to get people to do what is healthy, and there are a lot of options. I don't Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-26362011358227840982011-06-07T15:50:00.280+12:002011-06-07T15:50:00.280+12:00@Ben
Nor is it clear that we don't, either. Wh...<b>@Ben</b><br /><i>Nor is it clear that we don't, either. What is clear is that a lot more people than ever before aren't following the message. That might not be because the message is not clear. It might be because the urge to eat is stronger than the message.</i><br /><br />But nobody is saying that people shouldn’t eat (in fact the immediate post-war message for a while was: eat moreGiovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-12059477949087400202011-06-07T14:55:49.504+12:002011-06-07T14:55:49.504+12:00Only problem is that there are lots of bad simple ...<i>Only problem is that there are lots of bad simple messages too, like "McDonalds is yummy and hot young girls will dance around you when you eat it".</i><br /><br />That is a significant problem, but not the only one. Another is that many unhealthy foods, McDonalds' offerings among them, are explicitly designed to be maximally rewarding, which is what you would expect the stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04486889878636801969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-87520401814418576632011-06-07T14:20:25.342+12:002011-06-07T14:20:25.342+12:00>I don't think it's clear at all. Remem...>I don't think it's clear at all. Remember that the problem back then was malnourishment<br /><br />Sure, but they weren't malnourished by choice. It was a function of enforced privation.<br /><br />>Are we all, across the social spectrum, taught to do this effectively, so that we may better choose? I don't think it's terribly clear that we do.<br /><br />Nor is it clearBen Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-31610855209511142312011-06-07T12:11:12.334+12:002011-06-07T12:11:12.334+12:00For all the excellent advice about food given in w...<i>For all the excellent advice about food given in war pamphlets, it's pretty clear that it was the rationing itself that actually caused food discipline.</i><br /><br />I don't think it's clear at all. Remember that the problem back then was malnourishment, not obesity, and you could be malnourished on a ration, in fact there was an increased danger that you would be, which was the Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-66127354558287486872011-06-07T12:00:26.262+12:002011-06-07T12:00:26.262+12:00There is a glut of both information and food. Amon...There is a glut of both information and food. Amongst the information is plenty about how to eat healthy. This advice is not followed by increasing numbers of people. Will more, better written advice help? I doubt it very much.<br /><br />Indeed, I don't know too many obese people who don't understand that it is the way they eat (and a lack of exercise) that makes them that way. The Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-19130406224686311612011-06-07T11:01:58.889+12:002011-06-07T11:01:58.889+12:00I darned 3 pairs of my daughters' school tight...I darned 3 pairs of my daughters' school tights in a break on night shift last week. My co-worker commented that it was a lost art and she would have no idea how to do it. <br /><br />Wondering if knowledge about being frugal is 'lost'. I have trouble getting things fixed with people saying "just buy another one". Tbhis doesn't sit well with me.Artandmylifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771479314101299897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-19878792385725612322011-06-07T07:37:38.445+12:002011-06-07T07:37:38.445+12:00By a nice coincidence I just read this post after ...By a nice coincidence I just read this post after reading in O'Sullivan's biography of John Mulgan how he arranged to have his parachute sent back from Greece to his wife in NZ: the silk from parachutes made great knickers and undergarments, and was highly valued for reusing at home.<br /><br />Something else that strikes me about these pamphlets - and which is drawn in stark contrast by Dougalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935605945901196637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-81111948167606183262011-06-07T01:25:03.340+12:002011-06-07T01:25:03.340+12:00So long as we're plugging the work of that fin...So long as we're plugging the work of that fine institution, <a href="http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2Econ-c17-35.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> on rationing in New Zealand is also good. Did you have a hand in it?Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-87593786121895383352011-06-07T01:18:26.583+12:002011-06-07T01:18:26.583+12:00I will come back to read this on the bus tomorrow,...I will come back to read this on the bus tomorrow, but for now, let me just say <a href="http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WarEcon.html" rel="nofollow">"War Economy Recipe Book" FTW</a>Conhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16641887728601115959noreply@blogger.com