tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post6229965465156420110..comments2024-03-22T21:02:55.051+13:00Comments on Bat, Bean, Beam: The Man on the RoofGiovanni Tisohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-51052601786458081092014-10-04T06:16:41.195+13:002014-10-04T06:16:41.195+13:00For me, this post is that moment of clarity that p...For me, this post is that moment of clarity that plays over and over in the mind, everything since and to come merely the aftershock. Cancer of the party, usually lethal.<br /><br />Sto ancora avendo difficoltà a donare a causa della mia VPN. Prossimamente...chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-52622447897353128012012-08-30T00:30:07.625+12:002012-08-30T00:30:07.625+12:00I'm amazed by the constant repeating by Sheare...I'm amazed by the constant repeating by Shearer that New Zealanders don't like injustice or people that don't play by the rules. I'm Italian by origin and I live in Canada and I can assure you that in both countries people don't like who rips off the system. It's not just a New Zealand thing, believe me.<br /><br />What he fails to acknowledge even once is that the programTaramochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04997006655488913070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-52099657198712470042012-08-30T00:28:10.313+12:002012-08-30T00:28:10.313+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Taramochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04997006655488913070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-9251842128325696562012-08-27T09:37:29.747+12:002012-08-27T09:37:29.747+12:00My previous comment should be appended with what I...My previous comment should be appended with what I personally would like to become the ruling party in this country, which is a party with a plan for the recession that unabashedly involves changing the economic status quo. I would like it if they sold the idea of sweeping economic reform to the populace and contended the election in a marketplace of actual ideas. But I don't think Labour is Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-66693708345576999262012-08-26T20:16:29.371+12:002012-08-26T20:16:29.371+12:00>English is still around, yes, after spending a...>English is still around, yes, after spending a fair amount of time in the wilderness. <br /><br />Yes, but National took 6 more years after that defeat to regain power. Furthermore, there was a fairly significant poll bounce for National when they put Brash in and he made his first speech, and still it took them 6 years. Labour's not even getting a dead cat bounce.<br /><br />I'm Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-89311286683632539192012-08-25T16:24:22.764+12:002012-08-25T16:24:22.764+12:00A great poem, MeganA great poem, Meganhncaotearoahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04033526797045140662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-7932648044665897452012-08-24T17:20:35.066+12:002012-08-24T17:20:35.066+12:00With a small kaleidoscope
you make a great panopti...With a small kaleidoscope<br />you make a great panopticon.<br />There are the men, the men on the roofs,<br /><br />you saw one, now you see them all.<br /><br />First give notice, then take notice.<br />I have a memory, long as a piece of string.<br />I have a plumb line ready for the telling.<br /><br />A man comes home from the Forestry service<br /><br />or the Broadcasting corporation<br />Megan Claytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03584562106579704547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-52850249692262282982012-08-24T14:26:08.094+12:002012-08-24T14:26:08.094+12:00But at the same time that this faction is supposed...But at the same time that this faction is supposedly conservative it is overseeing a massive change in the party structure.<br /><br />(And there are failures of communication around that.)<br /><br />Lack of ideas: I dunno; this is going to sound weird but the feeling that I get is that there's a lot more ideas floating around at the moment than in a very long time. Dealing with Keirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-80267590738370696102012-08-24T10:39:38.800+12:002012-08-24T10:39:38.800+12:00"I was wrong even to give him that much of th..."I was wrong even to give him that much of the benefit of the doubt."<br /><br />A classic case of benefit fraud.<br /><br />Thank you Jack.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-91325136345570045962012-08-24T10:36:05.145+12:002012-08-24T10:36:05.145+12:00This is a truly epic post. Thanks for putting it u...This is a truly epic post. Thanks for putting it up, Giovanni.<br /><br />A very salutary reminder that if you sacrifice principle to get into office, then nothing worthwile can be expected of you there ... Shearer never impressed me much, but it seems that I was wrong even to give him <i>that</i> much of the benefit of the doubt.Dr Jack Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01805945600952222957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-67574199895208430852012-08-23T21:45:25.958+12:002012-08-23T21:45:25.958+12:00They think the world has order, bless ,em.They think the world has order, bless ,em.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424066726955708314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-40050334461126280012012-08-23T17:30:15.938+12:002012-08-23T17:30:15.938+12:00English is still around, yes, after spending a fai...English is still around, yes, after spending a fair amount of time in the wilderness. I'm not suggesting Robertson et al. need to be taken behind a shed and shot, just that maybe leaving the same strategists in place and trying the same strategy that saw a collapse in the party support last time around might not be as self-evidently good an idea as the current lot seem to think that it is. <Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-23557423216594098782012-08-23T17:09:20.913+12:002012-08-23T17:09:20.913+12:00And Bill English lead the Nats to their worst ever...And Bill English lead the Nats to their worst ever result. He's still hanging around.<br /><br />Erm, the list stacking thing is something i'd like to see way more detail on. As is the claim that there's a faction here, and the idea that this faction is primarily conservative.Keirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-45742263999844288702012-08-23T16:43:20.155+12:002012-08-23T16:43:20.155+12:00"And many of the people that are being named ..."And many of the people that are being named as incompetent were part of a hugely successful operation."<br /><br />The last thing they did was lead the party to its lowest result ever. And the only reason why they kept their jobs after that performance is that they had successfully stacked the list and their faction is the one that survived the decimation of the party in the least Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-71754480219734791162012-08-23T16:30:20.974+12:002012-08-23T16:30:20.974+12:00And they are terrible at it.
Yeah um this is a b...<i>And they are terrible at it. </i><br /><br />Yeah um this is a bit of an odd statement and I fundamentally don't agree. I mean sure it's nice to go on about how crap they are, but in fact I think that they are currently performing somewhat below average for a Labour front bench. And many of the people that are being named as incompetent were part of a hugely successful operation. (And,Keirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-16412802895065327812012-08-23T15:23:36.082+12:002012-08-23T15:23:36.082+12:00“One, there is a valuable place for rebukes aimed ...“One, there is a valuable place for rebukes aimed at theorists from people charged with electoral and face to face political work.” <br /><br />I welcome them. I would note however that they are primarily theorists too - in that they don’t have a meaningfully direct, transparent knowledge of ‘the electorate’, but operate rather based on theories of what will work, which they partly develop as Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-74719873084401789582012-08-23T12:47:34.365+12:002012-08-23T12:47:34.365+12:00One, there is a valuable place for rebukes aimed a...One, there is a valuable place for rebukes aimed at theorists from people charged with electoral and face to face political work. This isn't to take a particular stance on that particular exchange, but.<br /><br />Two, to Dougal: I think that's actually a pretty important point. Fundamentally, the Labour Party has a massive trust problem. At a fundamental level, members don't trust Keirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-23574927126220446412012-08-23T08:38:13.789+12:002012-08-23T08:38:13.789+12:00I'm still thinking about the neighbour. In fac...I'm still thinking about the neighbour. In fact I started to write the Secret Diary of the Man on the Roof's Neighbour. It's not going very well. <br />But if Obama has to virtually pretend to be a hard core Christian to even begin to be considered as a presidential candidate, then an NZ PM might have to get into the head of the Man on the Roof's neighbour. <br />Deborah's hncaotearoahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04033526797045140662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-78455140911322800092012-08-22T10:48:37.194+12:002012-08-22T10:48:37.194+12:00Like the Kingdom of Heaven, "True Social Demo...Like the Kingdom of Heaven, "True Social Democracy" is not something we will ever find on this sad old earth.<br /><br />Our salvation lies in how hard we attempt to fashion an approximation.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-73352338158835730282012-08-22T09:00:43.293+12:002012-08-22T09:00:43.293+12:00As I try ever harder to get to the core of the iss...As I try ever harder to get to the core of the issue I find anomie best describes what these leaders are enacting over us every day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie<br />The atomisation of the individual, the alienation from community, the Potempkin village of our democracy. For what does it gain an individual to merely make profit for another?<br />Yes, I have been talking with my Russian Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424066726955708314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-58592502342721871862012-08-21T22:02:54.599+12:002012-08-21T22:02:54.599+12:00I was trying not to get hung up on that, as it cou...I was trying not to get hung up on that, as it could be blamed on the medium to a certain extent. But yeah, it could also not.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-9368892789960999072012-08-21T21:57:31.560+12:002012-08-21T21:57:31.560+12:00Robertson's response also kinda reeks of "...Robertson's response also kinda reeks of "Sorry, keyboard warrior, I was out there doing REAL work." Which as a valiant keyboard warrior princess I'm always very eye-rolly of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-12601680822367988982012-08-21T10:06:39.658+12:002012-08-21T10:06:39.658+12:00@Stack: "Does he also think that 65 year olds...@Stack: "Does he also think that 65 year olds, who are working shouldn't get the old age benefit?"<br /><br />He does - that's why he's raising the age of superannuation!Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-29976025557198668472012-08-21T10:05:28.101+12:002012-08-21T10:05:28.101+12:00No, they never rejected this ideology, in fact abo...No, they never rejected this ideology, in fact about this far into his term Goff was just as solidly (if less incompetently) behind it as Shearer is. Then closer to the election things changed but my personal, not at all connected impression is that it's because there was no longer a political line, just caucus infighting shaping all-over-the-place policies, some of which represented a bit ofGiovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-76872443227717513862012-08-21T10:01:44.808+12:002012-08-21T10:01:44.808+12:00@Giovanni - youse all talked me out of it.@Giovanni - youse all talked me out of it.Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14182573274494086468noreply@blogger.com