tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post5176508996341255917..comments2024-03-16T21:03:05.280+13:00Comments on Bat, Bean, Beam: The Labours of HeraklesGiovanni Tisohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-85897857872120582362009-11-14T13:44:15.574+13:002009-11-14T13:44:15.574+13:00I must have told a couple of dozen people who wor...I must have told a couple of dozen people who work or study at Vic about the exhibition and I can't recall a single one who knew about it. You'd think they could have a board in the library foyer and outside the main cafes.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-21440769311682706702009-11-14T07:53:44.825+13:002009-11-14T07:53:44.825+13:00L'ho vista, Giovanni. Molto bella e divertente...L'ho vista, Giovanni. Molto bella e divertente. Ridevo da sola perche' ero letteralmente l'unica visitatrice. Credo che sia la mostra peggio pubblicizzata che ho mai visto (assieme alle altre, anche loro interessanti che sono all'Adam Art Gallery). Peccato. ClaudiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-57393404095983042912009-11-01T18:15:54.619+13:002009-11-01T18:15:54.619+13:00Just like that, ay? Welcome back, HB!
(There are ...Just like that, ay? Welcome back, HB!<br /><br />(There are two more new poems <a href="http://bat-bean-beam.blogspot.com/2009/10/airports-1-dubai-international.html?showComment=1257045271392#c3339204906525904269" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://bat-bean-beam.blogspot.com/2009/10/il-divo-deity.html?showComment=1257045885442#c208193855870183063" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-71843121852473465762009-11-01T16:57:36.459+13:002009-11-01T16:57:36.459+13:00Lionised;
Ironised.
Hydra-man;
hydro-dam.
Golden...Lionised;<br />Ironised.<br /><br />Hydra-man;<br />hydro-dam.<br /><br />Golden hind;<br />Double-bind.<br /><br />Pig hunt;<br />Waterfront.<br /><br />Clean stables;<br />League tables.<br /><br />Bronze wings;<br />Arrows, slings.<br /><br />Cretan Bull,<br />Farmer's fool.<br /><br />Mares of Thrace,<br />Last Race.<br /><br />Amazon Girdle,<br />Temperance Hurdle.<br /><br />Geryon'Megan Claytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03584562106579704547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-23104240259273544942009-10-29T10:59:03.212+13:002009-10-29T10:59:03.212+13:00Fair enough -- as I say, I haven't seen the ex...<i>Fair enough -- as I say, I haven't seen the exhibition,</i><br /><br />You'll like it all the more for it I think. By the way, I have updated the dates (which are incorrect on the gallery's website) and have added the stops after Wellington. <br /><br />It's worth keeping an eye on <a href="http://www.exhibitionservices.co.nz/exhibitiontours" rel="nofollow">Exhibition Services<Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-15186506830915781842009-10-29T10:17:39.151+13:002009-10-29T10:17:39.151+13:00@giovanni i think we're actually agreeing. you...@giovanni i think we're actually agreeing. your description of the work as a conceit is a better explanation than my clumsy 'juxtaposition'.<br /><br />word verification: marnaleg - someone broke my mama's leg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-28102808878532481872009-10-29T10:07:17.309+13:002009-10-29T10:07:17.309+13:00Fair enough -- as I say, I haven't seen the ex...Fair enough -- as I say, I haven't seen the exhibition, only these and a few other images online.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11926193718680225217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-87384978708017578132009-10-29T10:05:38.530+13:002009-10-29T10:05:38.530+13:00To clarify my objection to Jake's point: what ...To clarify my objection to Jake's point: what I don't think is being lampooned is the history of our attempts to describe and understand our enduring biculturalism - the series engages in that very thing, as well as in myth-making. An artwork's perspective is by its nature less declarative, more open to interpretations, therefore implicitly more critical than a history book or a Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-10334410668003321062009-10-29T09:50:59.643+13:002009-10-29T09:50:59.643+13:00@Jake I prefer ironizing to lampooning. I think th...<b>@Jake</b> I prefer ironizing to lampooning. I think the series unsettles the idea of a biculturalism that can be easily understood and domesticated for political or historiographical purposes. The perspective is reflexive and, yes, ironic, but stops well short of ridiculing or subverting entirely the notion of (bi)culturalism. It's better than that, and pieces like negotiating the boundaryGiovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-88772447063320894652009-10-29T08:37:44.538+13:002009-10-29T08:37:44.538+13:00what jake said.
but looking at the series in the ...what jake said.<br /><br />but looking at the series in the few minutes i have to think deeply, <a href="http://www.papergraphica.co.nz/popup.asp?display=large&id=830" rel="nofollow">this image</a> immediately brought to mind <a href="http://www.porirua.net/opunake/Von_Tempsky%27s_death_Kennett_Watkins.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a> iconic painting.<br /><br />to again agree with jake, what i Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-83469674604967950882009-10-29T03:22:05.438+13:002009-10-29T03:22:05.438+13:00Based on the images I've seen online and Giova...Based on the images I've seen online and Giovanni's description, I don't think that these works fit into Belich's model of New Zealand history at all well. Belich's history is a bicultural one, where two peoples are made in a new place, through similar processes, after becoming sufficiently different from the old place.<br /><br />The transformation is based partly on Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11926193718680225217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-2885212880934447382009-10-28T16:20:37.490+13:002009-10-28T16:20:37.490+13:00for me they strongly evoke the boundary between th...<i>for me they strongly evoke the boundary between the second and third stage.</i><br /><br />Excellent point. I think you could probably use a couple of key images from the series to illustrate Belich's point, as well as the limits of neat periodisations.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-72990375783354567142009-10-28T13:48:47.638+13:002009-10-28T13:48:47.638+13:00@giovanni yes, i think the 3rd party view is what ...@giovanni yes, i think the 3rd party view is what i was trying to abbreviate.<br /><br />there was a strange melange of culturally ambiguous self-depiction just prior to the aggrandisement of the early C20th, one that found itself both inside and outside New Zealand indigeneity.<br /><br />they're characterising maori, while attempting to characterise themselves - even though the themselves Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-5464156503169529742009-10-28T13:48:17.032+13:002009-10-28T13:48:17.032+13:00I wasn't familiar with de Lautour, thank you. ...I wasn't familiar with de Lautour, thank you. His map piece and your historical interests compel me to point you to <a href="http://www.papergraphica.co.nz/results_item.asp?id=714" rel="nofollow">Odysseus' map of the coast of New Ithaca</a>.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-2125730234317624942009-10-28T10:41:55.490+13:002009-10-28T10:41:55.490+13:00Nice post :-)Nice post :-)Artandmylifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771479314101299897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-85580492779591136412009-10-28T03:18:58.543+13:002009-10-28T03:18:58.543+13:00I love it so much I want to marry it. Or, at least...I love it so much I want to marry it. Or, at least, visit Wellington this summer and look at it, so that I can wax long-winded about complicating and perhaps even lampooning the bicultural model of New Zealand history.<br /><br />Oh, and do you know Tony de Lautour's work? He toyed with similar themes; in one series he painted over those early New Zealand landscape prints, adding cats with Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11926193718680225217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-83721473466086016042009-10-27T23:22:53.193+13:002009-10-27T23:22:53.193+13:00Another excellent post.
I think it's the humo...Another excellent post.<br /><br />I think it's the humour that got me first - those rabbits... But also, for me, it's the blank incomprehension on Herakles' part. He's trying so hard to make a way of life for himself, but nothing is the way it ought to be, from his point of view. <a href="http://www.papergraphica.co.nz/results_item.asp?id=844" rel="nofollow">Herakles' Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14182573274494086468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-83795045692779293292009-10-27T14:22:32.081+13:002009-10-27T14:22:32.081+13:00Anon, your link had some extra text in it - this s...<b>Anon</b>, your link had some extra text in it - <a href="http://www.natlib.govt.nz/images/collection-exhibitions-welcome-sweet-Peace/warcry.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a> should work. <br /><br /><b>objectdart</b> Yes, excellent point, but I don't think that juxtaposition is quite the mode here, or that any single strand of interpretation is dominant or likely to suffice to read these works.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-31676694174605157472009-10-27T13:21:43.132+13:002009-10-27T13:21:43.132+13:00man, here's an even better zealandia.man, here's an even better <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yf5a7yt" rel="nofollow">zealandia</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-26576508430381236642009-10-27T13:17:57.729+13:002009-10-27T13:17:57.729+13:00i've been seeing something a little more simpl...i've been seeing something a little more simple in maguire's work than this splendid interpretation.<br /><br />prevalent in the UK of the colonisation period was an obsession with cooption of hellenistic mythology, and linking empire to what eventually became <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yjho9eg" rel="nofollow">zealandia</a><br /><br />what we have then is juxtapostion of the the colonialAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com