tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post3215276485660103537..comments2024-03-22T21:02:55.051+13:00Comments on Bat, Bean, Beam: Finlands of the MindGiovanni Tisohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-27882299124652949162012-03-26T13:43:56.125+13:002012-03-26T13:43:56.125+13:00I am with Camus,
One of the good precepts of a phi...I am with Camus,<br />One of the good precepts of a philosophy worthy of that name is to never indulge in useless lamentations when faced with a state of affairs that cannot be helped. The question in France today is no longer to know how to preserve the freedoms of the press. It is to find out how, facing the suppression of these freedoms, a journalist can still be free. The problem does not Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424066726955708314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-72618906102487067382012-03-25T15:03:49.496+13:002012-03-25T15:03:49.496+13:00Could a focus on community power rather than the s...Could a focus on community power rather than the state be an answer for the left?<br /><br />http://thestandard.org.nz/the-only-vision-leftSachahttp://twitter.com/kaupapanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-52874391630872203392012-03-24T15:10:53.605+13:002012-03-24T15:10:53.605+13:00FWIW I didn't think you were sneering either, ...FWIW I didn't think you were sneering either, but didn't know what history you have with Gio.Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-19955319259269103202012-03-24T12:37:58.327+13:002012-03-24T12:37:58.327+13:00Bollocks. But I'm not going to venture into th...Bollocks. But I'm not going to venture into this any further. I think Danielle elegantly concluded this particular chapter of the discussion for me.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-25041117262946502002012-03-24T12:30:25.727+13:002012-03-24T12:30:25.727+13:00It is eminently possible to discuss class without ...It is eminently possible to discuss class without resorting to caricature. Or insisting that everyone else share a certain narrow understanding of it.Sachahttp://twitter.com/kaupapanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-33867685045833880252012-03-24T11:53:26.330+13:002012-03-24T11:53:26.330+13:00>Call it frustration on my part, I'm fed up...>Call it frustration on my part, I'm fed up with hearing how important techy innovator entrepreneur types are.<br /><br />Yeah, I'm fed up with it, too, and I AM one of those types. I don't much like being told the entire economy is waiting on me to solve problems that are ultimately political in origin, like rising poverty, growing inequality, rising debt, increasing un(der)Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-8546169109832202232012-03-24T11:37:51.944+13:002012-03-24T11:37:51.944+13:00You're not a party of one. There's a lot o...You're not a party of one. There's a lot of people who feel the way you do.Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-50405563090751506282012-03-24T11:33:44.133+13:002012-03-24T11:33:44.133+13:00I find it very sad. I was personally hoping that G...I find it very sad. I was personally hoping that Goff would stick around a little after the election, doing what a Leader of the Opposition should be doing during a period when some extremely right wings stuff is actually happening, and presiding over an orderly selection and handover to the next candidate. I was extremely angry that he simply quit, and the party decided in a couple of weeks who Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-64264737732758812062012-03-23T23:54:17.729+13:002012-03-23T23:54:17.729+13:00Well, you've said anyway. You might as well ma...<i><br /><br />Well, you've said anyway. You might as well make the sneer overt. High-fives all round, etc.</i><br /><br />What. The underlying sarcastic tone there was surely evident, no? (The observation it would just be blatant trolling was totally honest.) The fact is, last time a post of Gio's went nuts like this is was the well-adjusted post; it is quite interesting that the same Keirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-7686901422088533362012-03-23T15:37:46.736+13:002012-03-23T15:37:46.736+13:00This is weirdly reminding me of a 'what about ...This is weirdly reminding me of a 'what about teh menz?' derail, although perhaps this one should be called 'what about teh Fooz?'Daniellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03896817139131485525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-39837257385336396212012-03-23T14:34:05.512+13:002012-03-23T14:34:05.512+13:00The reason that objectively justified comments abo...<i>The reason that objectively justified comments about the composition of Foo and the way people get there cause such anger is that they can be read in this way, which strikes at the core of the Kiwi psyche. </i><br /><br />I really appreciate where you’re coming from, but I’m not convinced it’s the whole explanation. <br /><br />For one thing, just about every single report from Kiwi Foo (Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-48083815992147997402012-03-23T13:21:06.806+13:002012-03-23T13:21:06.806+13:00I tried to make a comment along these lines this m...I tried to make a comment along these lines this morning but Blogspot ate it.<br /><br />Anyone who went to a New Zealand primary school knows that you must not show signs of considering yourself to be special. As a corollary, accusations of considering yourself to be special are very serious. YOU THINK YOU'RE SO SPECIAL YOU ARE STUCK UP.<br /><br />The reason that objectively justified Stephenhttp://vital.org.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-76490571297241884582012-03-23T13:00:48.222+13:002012-03-23T13:00:48.222+13:00Yes. So long as we correctly identify the problem ...Yes. So long as we correctly identify the problem as the hurt feelings of Kiwi Foo attendees, then I think we're really going to get somewhere. For they are the real victims.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-62124721030376237862012-03-23T12:39:21.043+13:002012-03-23T12:39:21.043+13:00You know, I'd almost say that Foo attracts the...<i>You know, I'd almost say that Foo attracts the well adjusted if it weren't for the fact that that would be trolling Gio's blog in the most undignified way.</i><br /><br />Well, you've said anyway. You might as well make the sneer overt. High-fives all round, etc.Russell Brownhttp://publicaddress.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-1935346788780749872012-03-23T12:36:26.235+13:002012-03-23T12:36:26.235+13:00You enjoy an uncommon degree of access to politici...<i>You enjoy an uncommon degree of access to politicians so you don’t get to be absolved from belonging to a certain socio-economic group and range of industries just because you are creative people or because I personally like you.</i><br /><br />I'm not looking to be "absolved" of anything, thank you. I'm just tired of a pointless argument.Russell Brownhttp://publicaddress.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-74464219778425617672012-03-23T09:59:16.347+13:002012-03-23T09:59:16.347+13:00I don't believe for a minute that the speech i...I don't believe for a minute that the speech is without content, but wouldn't it actually be more troubling if it were? What does it say about politics in this country that the leader of a major party gets elected, proceeds to say nothing for three months, then finally gives a speech and he's still saying nothing? When are we supposed to start hearing political statements from a Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-80869149812538641522012-03-23T01:40:27.810+13:002012-03-23T01:40:27.810+13:00You know, I'd almost say that Foo attracts the...You know, I'd almost say that Foo attracts the well adjusted if it weren't for the fact that that would be trolling Gio's blog in the most undignified way. <br /><br />Instead, I will say that Shearer's speech is in the best tradition of non-specific roscharch blots of political speeches, and that I am very interested in the details of Shearer's vision. Trying to read this Keirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-89103232136087014702012-03-22T23:23:52.207+13:002012-03-22T23:23:52.207+13:00Who’s saying that Nat Torkington or any of the peo...Who’s saying that Nat Torkington or any of the people on that list are bad people? It’s like you see a value judgment in my observation that Kiwi Foo attendees are predominantly successful people from the tech industry. This is just a statement of fact. Read the guest list. Visit the website. Why pretend otherwise? And frankly the context in which you see each other is totally irrelevant to my Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-56036063361325257102012-03-22T22:34:35.313+13:002012-03-22T22:34:35.313+13:00This is the partial list of invitees as of mid-dec...<i>This is the partial list of invitees as of mid-december from Kiwi Foo’s website. 117 people. Nat Torkington alone is listed as having invited 38 of them (but it’s not an exclusive gathering - oh no!). </i><br /><br />Nat invites more people because he's the founder and primary organiser. He and Jenine do a lot of unpaid work. They're good people.<br /><br />Please, re-read Sue's Russell Brownhttp://publicaddress.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-42208570355289763392012-03-22T22:02:11.664+13:002012-03-22T22:02:11.664+13:00Or maybe, just maybe, I’ve actual researched this ...Or maybe, just maybe, I’ve actual researched this topic and the attempts in this thread to make Kiwi Foo appear something other than what it is border on the disingenuous. <br /><br /><a href="http://kiwifoo.aws.af.cm/?page_id=15" rel="nofollow">This</a> is the partial list of invitees as of mid-december from Kiwi Foo’s website. 117 people. Nat Torkington alone is listed as having invited 38 of Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-57497796891578293412012-03-22T21:16:31.104+13:002012-03-22T21:16:31.104+13:00I guess we can all sometimes make over-confident s...I guess we can all sometimes make over-confident statements based on a scrap of knowledge gleaned from the outside. What to do when others offer more information is often the art.Sachahttp://twitter.com/kaupapanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-60317109607217709522012-03-22T21:09:29.659+13:002012-03-22T21:09:29.659+13:00In fact I'm calling time on both: there's ...In fact I'm calling time on both: there's a well-linked portion of the post and about forty comments on this issue alone. Let's move on.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-2162094779863608212012-03-22T20:44:41.253+13:002012-03-22T20:44:41.253+13:00Neither of which sentence means that *everyone* at...Neither of which sentence means that *everyone* at kiwi foo camp is of a type. Nor does the fact that this year there were apparently "more scientists than educators and journalists" contradict my broad characterisation of the event, which is supported by its own literature. So really I'm a little puzzled both by the perceived offence and by the ongoing quibbling.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-41772988157635506362012-03-22T19:50:23.537+13:002012-03-22T19:50:23.537+13:00"a crowd consisting mainly of prominent urban..."a crowd consisting mainly of prominent urban professionals – la crème of the technocracy"<br /><br />...<br /><br />"gathering of elite knowledge economy workers"Sachahttp://twitter.com/kaupapanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-26340315220908861232012-03-22T18:46:41.211+13:002012-03-22T18:46:41.211+13:00"I'm not so quietly offended that you per..."I'm not so quietly offended that you perceive everyone at foo camp to be of a type"<br /><br />Too bad I never said that I guess.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.com