tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post2616893926183938762..comments2024-03-22T21:02:55.051+13:00Comments on Bat, Bean, Beam: Our Memory Is a Never-Grey WallGiovanni Tisohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-70135849741371179462011-09-08T14:33:52.026+12:002011-09-08T14:33:52.026+12:00"Che poi l'emozione non nasca unicamente ..."Che poi l'emozione non nasca unicamente da fattori estetici è altrettanto ovvio, ma negare l'influenza di questi ultimi mi pare troppo riduttivo."<br /><br />Non nego. Ma non tutto quello che emoziona è bello. I graffiti ai più danno fastidio, irritano, creano rabbia. E pure quello può servire a scuotere le coscienze. In fondo nel graffito "bello" ora rimosso da via Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-4764325816176410522011-09-06T19:45:40.207+12:002011-09-06T19:45:40.207+12:00In effetti focalizzarsi unicamente sulla bellezza ...In effetti focalizzarsi unicamente sulla <i>bellezza</i> può risultare fuorviante. Forse allargando un pochino il campo riesco a chiarire meglio il mio pensiero. <br /><br />Io sono convinto che senza emozione non nasca alcuna memoria. Se tiro in ballo la bellezza lo faccio solo per evidenziare un primo possibile immediato rapporto tra graffito e osservatore, tra arte e cittadino. Il fatto che, Iguana Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16949162244968292957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-89516314430531832242011-09-03T22:08:45.109+12:002011-09-03T22:08:45.109+12:00Sono d'accordo con Francesca: se anche un rapp...Sono d'accordo con Francesca: se anche un rapporto tra estetica e memoria esiste, è molto complesso da decifrare. Se è vero che la funzione originaria della poesia, come pensano studiosi come Eric Havelock, fosse proprio quella di aiutare a ricordare, può darsi che estetica e memoria siano proprio nate insieme, e chissà, forse l'umanità si è educata a giudicare bello il memorabile, e Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-45840907841628189682011-09-03T06:36:24.613+12:002011-09-03T06:36:24.613+12:00Mi permetto di dire la mia, non perché sia un'...Mi permetto di dire la mia, non perché sia un'esperta del ramo, non perché pensi di essere in grado di dire alcunché di rivoluzionario e non per anticipare Giovanni, ma solo perché interessa anche a me.<br /><br />Non credo che l'estetica aiuti necessariamente la memoria, credo invece che le sia estranea, che la memoria giochi su altri fattori. Né dei criteri di tipo estetico né dei francescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13096867858651484894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-8391786744643508732011-09-02T21:55:37.020+12:002011-09-02T21:55:37.020+12:00Perdona il ritardo nella risposta (tra ferie e rit...Perdona il ritardo nella risposta (tra ferie e ritorno mi son scordato il post), ma l'argomento mi interessa. Quindi:<br /><br />Non ho detto che la memoria deve essere bella, solo che la bellezza di un graffito lo aiuta a essere ricordato. Di più: produce un ricordo attivo, che altrimenti si tenderebbe a ricordare lo scarabocchio e non quello che racconta.<br />(Non succede la stessa cosa Iguana Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16949162244968292957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-12391917447942584802011-08-16T06:40:47.446+12:002011-08-16T06:40:47.446+12:00You should put some warning signs before linking m...You should put some warning signs before linking maps. I headed south along Wallace street and had a car accident.<br />I was driving on the right side of the road.francescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13096867858651484894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-27518156322380232212011-08-13T15:47:21.703+12:002011-08-13T15:47:21.703+12:00"During the mid-2000s there was talk about re..."During the mid-2000s there was talk about removing them, but the consensus was against it and they were touched up and recoloured."<br /><br />The artist is <a href="http://www.resene.com/artists/ellen_coup.htm" rel="nofollow">Ellen Coup</a>, who's also done the murals at our school.<br /><br />The only other historical piece of graffiti I can think of in Wellington is <a href="Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-62013452163048577462011-08-13T14:08:17.951+12:002011-08-13T14:08:17.951+12:00I remember seeing that Unemployment Is Not Working...I remember seeing that Unemployment Is Not Working graffiti in 1997, driving through with my family on a winter holiday to the South Island. it had already existed for long enough that my parents both knew it well. I was only 13, and it had a sharp effect on me - that you could be so outspoken and critical in a public space was revelatory.<br /><br />When I was involved with environmental groups George Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-19054634251202691372011-08-13T14:01:24.221+12:002011-08-13T14:01:24.221+12:00Thank you, fascinating.
Wellington has its own (m...Thank you, fascinating.<br /><br />Wellington has its own (more limited history) of such things. Two examples stand out in my mind (I'm sure there are many more).<br /><br />During the 1990s the organisation Native Forest Action took graffiti to many prominent concrete walls around Wellington, with clear messages. They were painted over, but eventually an arrangement was convened where large George Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-48352324527766479902011-08-11T18:26:54.503+12:002011-08-11T18:26:54.503+12:00"Temo che senza bellezza anche la memoria vad..."Temo che senza bellezza anche la memoria vada sprecata. E la stragrande maggioranza dei graffiti fotografati sono brutti."<br /><br />Ah, ma chi lo dice che la memoria deve essere bella? Forse che le nostre periferie sono belle? E qual è il rapporto tra estetica, memoria e verità? Se poi i graffiti fotografati siano belli o meno è difficile dirlo senza vedere cosa sta intorno ai Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-75426665284252375232011-08-11T02:36:39.384+12:002011-08-11T02:36:39.384+12:00Non so. A me pare che il graffito testuale del gen...Non so. A me pare che il graffito testuale del genere che racconti nel post sia memoria _sporca_. Un modo per inserirsi negli interstizi di un mondo che non si ritiene di poter cambiare o, in alternativa, un comodo spazio pubblicitario semi-gratuito e provocatorio.<br /><br />Non potendo costruire nulla si parassitano le costruzioni esistenti, che offrono al messaggio che si trovano a promuovere Iguana Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16949162244968292957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-18720124046440684442011-08-10T09:31:37.770+12:002011-08-10T09:31:37.770+12:00"Taedia" - wonderful.
My mother has a b..."Taedia" - wonderful.<br /><br />My mother has a book of Roman epigraphs, quite prestigious looking (Lidia Storoni Mazzolani might have been involved, from memory), with parallel translation, and at one graffito per page it's quite a tome. And so it was that "hic ego multas puellas futui" got its own entry in an otherwise immaculate page, like high poetry.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-38682502299928631442011-08-10T07:14:55.613+12:002011-08-10T07:14:55.613+12:00Admiror, paries, te non cecidisse ruina,
qui tot ...Admiror, paries, te non cecidisse ruina, <br />qui tot scriptorum taedia sustineas.<br /><br />I am surprised, wall, that you have never fallen in ruin,<br />since you bear the bother of so many writings.<br /><br />Pompeian graffiti.<br /><br />:-)francescahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13096867858651484894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-78322334092266255152011-08-09T10:30:38.617+12:002011-08-09T10:30:38.617+12:00The good graffiti vs. bad graffiti argument is alw...The good graffiti vs. bad graffiti argument is always an interesting one. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/98712881@N00/2761644303/in/photostream/" rel="nofollow">The murals on Newtown Ave in Wellington</a> are a good example, being a commission to beautify the side of a commercial building and protect it from tagging, on the one hand, and an overt attempt to document and reproduce what the Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-37883704156438151292011-08-09T10:14:17.898+12:002011-08-09T10:14:17.898+12:00Lots to think about there, thanks as always.
The ...Lots to think about there, thanks as always.<br /><br />The place of graffiti in urban "regeneration" and other council plans you mention is also all about whose memories are preserved and valued, isn't it? When I was studying at Melbourne friends told me about a debate in the student movement over some political graffiti that appeared on a "heritage" building. Whatever Dougalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935605945901196637noreply@blogger.com