tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post1728524087072702895..comments2024-03-22T21:02:55.051+13:00Comments on Bat, Bean, Beam: The business of free speechGiovanni Tisohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-28974110301971917962013-11-24T23:53:08.298+13:002013-11-24T23:53:08.298+13:00Sorry, Frank, I really cannot have that link poste...Sorry, Frank, I really cannot have that link posted here without knowing the full story. This is not the right forum in which to make such accusations whilst also naming the accused and in the presence of a court order. I am not able to verify your story.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-25646466933825842732013-11-23T00:03:59.514+13:002013-11-23T00:03:59.514+13:00I just thought it fairly obvious that freedom of s...I just thought it fairly obvious that freedom of speech is a principle that regulates the rights of citizens vis-a-vis the state. The state has no place telling people what not to say (except for those notorious exceptions like shouting-fire-in-crowded-theatre and highly egregious instances of hate speech). And part of the justification for minimal state regulation is that society can, should, David Hallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-90332483956547703942013-11-22T23:44:24.252+13:002013-11-22T23:44:24.252+13:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459104528027141809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-20729293013022562072013-11-22T14:38:26.622+13:002013-11-22T14:38:26.622+13:00Oh come off it, 'consequences' is what a l...Oh come off it, 'consequences' is what a liberal mewls to cast their endorsement of repressive structures as some sort of passive-voice force of nature.Lensernnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-9197015414595987982013-11-21T21:56:04.945+13:002013-11-21T21:56:04.945+13:00Quite right. Willy and JT were free, are still fre...Quite right. Willy and JT were free, are still free, in fact, to say what they want. Listeners have been free to state how appalled they were at their comments. Advertisers have been equally free to decide they don't want to pay to sponsor that speech. I don't see where the complained about lack of freedom is. Lisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-60746231185205400142013-11-20T11:11:26.091+13:002013-11-20T11:11:26.091+13:00Yeah - that's true. And equally irritating, ju...Yeah - that's true. And equally irritating, just on the basis of the sheer direness of much of the content they provide...Wolfboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780236011500530931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-29428392145969392612013-11-20T11:02:32.179+13:002013-11-20T11:02:32.179+13:00Good point. You could say the same of blogs, which...Good point. You could say the same of blogs, which, absent reliable figures, I'm going to guess might account for a similar share of attention. The problem is that mainstream still makes up the remaining 90%. Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-89073990660955294112013-11-20T10:59:44.614+13:002013-11-20T10:59:44.614+13:00This is a really good post.
My one gripe is that ...This is a really good post.<br /><br />My one gripe is that you've marked out commercial media vs. state/Maori media as the only possible game in town. As someone who works for Access Radio, I find that a bit irritating. We obviously don't have the market share of the giant media monoliths, but actually we get up to around 10% (possibly more in some areas) and provide a voice for a huge Wolfboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780236011500530931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-47666885760159102902013-11-19T20:09:36.752+13:002013-11-19T20:09:36.752+13:00Whenever the Shock Doctrine elite sense they'r...Whenever the Shock Doctrine elite sense they're cornered, they'll usually play the 'collapse of the West' card and retreat into their razor-wired comfort blankets. It was just the same with all the dirty laundry leaked by Julian Assange and Ed Snowden et al.deepredhttp://kumararepublic.blogspot.co.nz/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-2599601830419469782013-11-19T11:03:49.204+13:002013-11-19T11:03:49.204+13:00Great post, Gio.
I'm still astonished those wh...Great post, Gio.<br />I'm still astonished those who wail about 'censorship' and the way public discourse has been impoverished by WJ and JT's removal from the airways manage to completely ignore the many fresh new voices that have been raised to discuss this hard topic- and the bloody rich and (fingers crossed) fruitful national conversation we may just start about rape culture Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04612689408655287028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-40135123156520859512013-11-19T11:03:04.161+13:002013-11-19T11:03:04.161+13:00Wonderful. Loved your use of 'turgid.'Wonderful. Loved your use of 'turgid.'Sarah Jane Barnetthttp://theredroom.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-44347892369836567132013-11-19T10:43:55.121+13:002013-11-19T10:43:55.121+13:00Terrific post, as so many have said - and good quo...Terrific post, as so many have said - and good quote from Danyl. Looking at the thumbnails of the columnists in T' Herald, I thought I was looking at the inmates of a rather specialised retirement village for white men who wear unconvincing wigs.<br /><br />Hell may be other people, and it has many circles. In one of them, Bradbury and Trotter run endlessly, cheered on by Karl du Fresne. Brett Davidsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-70812007409672765812013-11-19T09:43:19.101+13:002013-11-19T09:43:19.101+13:00Thank you.
Rape apology is hate speech. It attac...Thank you. <br /><br />Rape apology is hate speech. It attacks those in less powerful positions, denies the violence enacted against them, and when it does acknowledge that violence it declares that its victims are the ones to blame.<br /><br />Speech - including posting to the walls of Facebook - is an act, as you have said elsewhere. And acts have consequences. It is those consequences which George Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-78482696502824106542013-11-19T09:11:14.905+13:002013-11-19T09:11:14.905+13:00"Thank you, also for those who are not here, ..."Thank you, also for those who are not here, yet remembered."<br /><br />Oh, Peter. Thank you so much.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-88010942545596912502013-11-19T09:02:15.316+13:002013-11-19T09:02:15.316+13:00I'm using structural irony and deleting commen...I'm using structural irony and deleting comments that are too lazy and/or dense to advance the cause of civilisation. Meanwhile, thank you, everyone who isn't Ross.Giovanni Tisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618534731338616708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-62140196915026835532013-11-19T08:53:35.161+13:002013-11-19T08:53:35.161+13:00Thank you, also for those who are not here, yet re...Thank you, also for those who are not here, yet remembered.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04424066726955708314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-9375878142415976972013-11-19T08:42:13.963+13:002013-11-19T08:42:13.963+13:00Excellent post Gio! You've summed it up perfec...Excellent post Gio! You've summed it up perfectly. The warped logic that free speech equals zero consequences for hate speech further victimises the victims. The left commentators you mention abandon female victims of sexual abuse to the alter of their ideals, while the conservatives do as they always do: excuse it or call on a golden age uncorrupted by social progress. Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-81751243538759931372013-11-19T08:28:16.352+13:002013-11-19T08:28:16.352+13:00Awesome. The chaps at mediawatch on National radio...Awesome. The chaps at mediawatch on National radio should have a read.tkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15983869573279752885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-32272677437952406602013-11-19T08:01:57.223+13:002013-11-19T08:01:57.223+13:00Gio, I seriously wish I had any words to express m...Gio, I seriously wish I had any words to express my gratitude and admiration for this post.<br /><br />One thing I find really weird is that people talk about "free speech" and yet expect US to remain silent. They think freedom only applies when it suits them.<br /><br />In an online argument (probably also about rape culture - it was quite a few years ago so I don't recall) I was Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-79902123221520079532013-11-19T01:36:09.543+13:002013-11-19T01:36:09.543+13:00Danyl must have been tapped out by the time it got...Danyl must have been tapped out by the time it got to the long thread on his own blog about this. I got pretty tired of it in the end, and it's good to hear "we're doomed to be hectored and talked down to by droves of reactionary bewildered old men" is now 2 days old. Great expression.<br /><br />And good summary Gio. I'd say more but I'm over this topic. Just like to Ben Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015337296196701141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9057225441101183394.post-28001447979529779222013-11-19T01:33:26.378+13:002013-11-19T01:33:26.378+13:00utter brilliance, clear, precise, weighty with a f...utter brilliance, clear, precise, weighty with a full round tone I'd like to practice myself. Thank you. so you tell mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11003204842020505433noreply@blogger.com